i.d.'d. they're the brothers tsarnaev from chechnya, this is an international terrorist attack. i'm going to briefly digress to the market and stocks and gold are going up this morning, but i'm not drawing any connection today between terror and money. they are separate developments. watch the that live here. and i'm going to deal briefly with the markets, up arrows for stocks and there's going to be a gain on the dow and i'm expecting roughly 45 points. there's an up arrow for the price of gold and we're expecting a gain there of $4. but look it's not wall street, it is not money that's grabbing attention today. oh, no, it's boston and it is terror. on the left-hand side-- let me tell you where we are right now. as police surround that house in watertown, much of boston is on lockdown, public transportation there shut down.

400,000 people are told to stay in your house, homes, schools, universities are closed, it's a massive manhunt for that surviving terrorist. 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev is dead and his 19-year-old brother dzhokhar tsarnaev is on the run. they're from chetchnya. and i've he got a lot more details for you. scott brown joins us from boston. mr. senator, you got into the studio this morning. could you get out of your hotel and walk around the streets of boston okay? >> i came in from the foxboro area about 20 miles in and throughout the whole time in i saw eight or nine convoys of police officers coming down the various highways. i got into boston and it's a

ghosttown, a lot of the restaurants and stores, obviously, are closed down. i quite frankly have never seen anything like this. but i want to personally thank all of our law enforcement personnel for doing yeoman's work. and after the pictures were flashed, obviously they were in the area and things started heating up, really, really intensely and right now they seem to have focused on watertown about ten to 12 miles outside of boston and everybody seems to be doing their jobs on high, high alert and obviously the best thing that people can do is listen to the people that know better than we do. >> now the uncle of these two terrorists has been talking and he says both of them have been here for roughly ten years, arriving 2002, 2003. in other words, they've been here a long time. and they've been through america's educational system. what do you make of that, senator? >> well, you have to wonder whether they're actually being influenced by, for example, as you know, there's inspire magazine, an of--

and put that together and how to make a pressure cooker bomb. whether they're domestic or home grown, or having influence from chechnya. it's hard to say. i'm sure we're going to hear a lot more as things develop, but it is deeply disturbing and makes you wonder if there's anyone out there and what's next potentially. stuart: it must be very disturbing for boston itself. because i understand that these two terrorists have a lot of family in the region from chechnya originally now now living in the boston arra, what we understand from the uncle at least. this is a real blow to boston, isn't it? >> well, it's a blow -- it's a blow to certainly our area. as you know, we have the bruins game the other night, a show of patriotism and you have a lot of large sporting events in massachusetts many professional teams and arts and sciences and amazing amounts of colleges and universities. it's a target-rich environment. the fact that they're here and took part of the educational system and one was with a

scholarship potentially. it's deeply disturbing and makes you wonder what goes through somebody's mind that can hurt innocent people, women and children and spectators. it's cowardly and hopefully we'll learn from this issue and grow from it. i tell you what, stuart, i don't know what else to say except that god bless everybody who's been saying prayers for us and also for those folks who have been doing their jobs and putting their lives on the line trying to make us all safe. stuart: well said. i'm going to ask you if you'd stay there for one second. i have to take a brief pause so we can go on to delay. by going on delay we can show you pictures coming from the house in watertown and to make sure. we've got to delay to make sure you don't see anything untwoowa. i've got a five second delay. hold on, everyone.

now, senator brown, still with us and appreciate you being here with us on a difficult day for boston. would you describe again, the center of boston, downtown? i think that's where you are now, actually, and it's not back to normal, i understand that. and is it depopulated? >> no, listen, i went where the bombing site was and boylston street, arlington, berkley, clarendon, dartmouth street. there are police officers, the area is cordoned off. it was like a ghosttown. a lot of police officers i spoke with were getting updates through scanners and walkie-talkies and aware what happened in kenmore square which is a little under half a mile where the cab was stopped and suspects were arrested and then they also have indicated that much of the action is outside of boston. but you never know if there's other people and if they did

other things that are timed to go off. i think what the governor did certainly, what the mayor has done, which is to keep everybody in lockdown. what they're basically saying when they're in lockdown, try to stay in if you don't need to go in. if you have to go out, be very aware and get in and out and get back and let the people who know what they're doing do their job and don't be mistaken for somebody aiding and abetting, a good move. stuart: and the actual area of lockdown is watertown. the west of boston has transportation cancel, schools closed and that's not lockdown for boston, but it's-- >> it's watertown and f.a.a. has flight restrictions 3 1/2 miles around watertown, the amtrak is not having service from boston to providence. you have the cabs have been stopped and not allowed to pick up any people in the boston area, as well as, you know, it's a fluid changing situation, and the t service, which is the

transportation service in and out of the service has also been stopped. while you say not a lockdown, the mayor has said everybody to stay inside. so, you know, it's a lockdown in the boston, watertown, belmont, cambridge, everybody is hunkering down and waiting for this thing to play out. stuart: yes, sir, senator scott brown, we appreciate you being with us. valuable time. appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. keep the faith, everybody. stuart: yes, sir. now, also with me this morning here in new york, monica crowley. i want to establish monica's credentials before we go any further. you've got a ph.d. in security, security, national security, you are an expert on russia and on chechnya, is that correct? >> yes. stuart: now, these two terrorists have been identified as brothers who were born and raised in chechnya. as i understand it, they were involved in a brutal war with russia 20 years ago, right about the time when these youngsters were born and it was brutal

indeed, correct? >> yes, actually two separate wars, one fwr 1994 to 1996 called the first chechen war and chechnya is considered a break away from russia, trying to separate. when the wall came down and chechnya saw an interest in breaking apart from russia. russian tanks rolled in and he cracked down and brought chechnya back. second chechen war, 1999 same thing they tried to break away, russians cracked down. and since then, putin in particular has been obsessed with keeping them in the fold and the russians control chechnya right now. obviously, there are a couple of things going on here, stuart-- >> i've got to interrupt you just for one second. chechnya is predominantly muslim. >> sunni muslims. stuart: and between chechnya,

and eastern ordocks russia. >> correct. stuart: russia is the enemy. >> correct. stuart: so can you explain why it is that these two people come to america and join our owe site and enjoy one of our elite schools, i believe, and now regard america as the enemy and attack america. >> two elements, first, yes, russia is the enemy as part of the geopolitical conflict between the ethnic chechens and the ethnic russians, and the second element is part of the international jihad. and chechnya is considered a hot bed of islamic terror and one of the focal points of the islamic insurgency in the world and chechen fighters have been going to afghanistan and pakistan for training and a lot of chechen fighters moved into pakistan over so many years to fight the jihad. you've got the geopolitical fight with the russians and part of the islamic jihad. why they would come to the united states and target us and

in particular the boston marathon, it's a-- >> were they radicalized here or sent here as radicals in the first place? monica, stay here, i've got to break away the stock market is opening, this is a financial program and we are going to cover what's happening financially today. we're expecting the dow to go up 30, maybe 40 points and gold has moved higher. scott shellady come in from chicago, please. i don't seek any impact on developments from the terror front with what's going to happen in wall street. do you? >> no, some fairly positive news for the market. but i expect the volumes to be thin while the drama plays out in boston and ultimately we've had decent news with a small bid this morning. stuart: i noticed that the futures prices did not move before the opening bell while everybody was glued to the screen and that's accurate so say with what happened.

>> and exactly the case, and as i talk to the guys in london this morning, they're in front of their screens and watching what's happening in the states and more and more will be happening and slower and slower volumes until we get a finality there and the markets take center stage. until then, it's all about boston. >> by the way, he when the opening bell rang, the dow industrial is open with a 90 point loss and now down 60 points and maybe something going on na i don't know about. and futures were pointing slightly higher. i've got to give you news on individual stocks in case you own them. breaking away from terror, but see what's going on on the other side of your screen, watertown, massachusetts, that is locked down. first of all, google showed off innovations late yesterday like the google glasses and investors like that and the profit situation. to lauren on the floor, where did they go to the stock, please? >> yeah, google shares are up 1% and they did beat in profit and

revenue. on the call, ceo larry page said interesting things, saying that google glass and even motorola phone will do something different, moving forward and changing up the products and something that the technology companies need to do. and quickly the dow is down and other major averages are up and we have some earnings that are sharply lower. stuart: new, lauren. i have got a couple of big names. ibm, disappoints. and it's down, a dow stock. that again in part look at that, ibm's drop is costing the dow 88 points and i've got better than expected profits at microsoft and losing the chief financial officer and microsoft is moving higher, up a buck the at 29.83.

before i leave finance and go to terror, where is apple this morning. >> apple 385 the lowest bevels seen since the end of 2011. stuart: i'm sorry to keep it short there, but i want to bring you-- let's go back to the terror situation, all eyes on that right now. molly line, i believe is joining us from the boston area, what can you add to our story so far, molly? >> we've been here throughout the night. a violent evening and now daylight has risen and we're pushed further and further away. in the early, early morning hours, 2, three o'clock in the morning, we were a location, a mile from here and we're pushed further and further out from that. we saw tactical teams, 30 to 50 people with significant armored vehicle and full body armor as well. the entire street is lined with

state police officers. every corner, all the way down mount auburn has been lined with the state police officers and we've seen the tactical teams with the armored vehicle exploring the side neighborhoods. stuart: molly, can i jump in. >> sure. >> did you see the hijacked suv, a mercedes suv's the two terrorists hijacked it and shots were exchanged. i think you saw it towed away. describe it, please. >> yeah, just within the last hour or so, that vehicle was towed right past us. the mercedes, a black suv, that's the description of this vehicle, completely shot out. the back blown out and the side with bullet holes and with the two suspects, a half hour before he was released from that vehicle. he's okay, reportedly. and then the vehicle was involved in a police chase with

an mbta officer shot and his named richard donahue, jr., 33 years old and he's being treated with very, very serious injured reported, but that vehicle has been towed away and taken away for evidence and you'll sure they'll be combing that as they continue it search for that suspect or suspect two. stuart: molly line right on the edge of the war zone. i'd like to bring you up-to-date on that war zone. talking watertown, massachusetts part of the greater boston area. police 40 minutes ago, we saw them running toward a house, guns drawn and rifles on the shoulder and our cameras have been moved back, so i can't give you the live shot, but that's what was happening, 40, 45 minutes ago. gunfire was heard in or around that house. that was the center of the action, 45 minutes ago, we

believe that situation continues. now, i want to bring in john layfield, the ceo of the layfield report, a mixed terror and mixed investing, john. do these developments make any difference to the way you invest, you and your client's money? >> no, unfortunately not, stuart. i say unfortunately now, because we're now having to deal with terror just like north ireland had to for decades and countries in the middle east had to do for decades and unfortunately, we're having to deal with that, and no longer affecting the markets. there is a disconnect between the markets and the horrible, horrible tragedy going on in boston. >> is there a mood change in america, which may or may not have some impact on financial markets, but address that side of the story for a second. the mood change in america. what do you see? >> i think the mood change in america is exactly what you're seeing with this fbi search. look, years ago, when you had a hijacked plane, i don't think

that people would have rushed the people who hijacked the plane. you see something like that now, citizens will say it's a bad situation and take it into their own hands and citizens don't take it into their own hands, but the search, the pictures that went around boston and hopefully get the next guy quick and alive and find out if he is part of a larger terror organization. one things that's interesting, here in bermuda, reinsurance capital in the world, from floods in australia, tsunamis in japan. the terror premium used to be big, eight to ten years ago has gotten very, very small, shows you the fact that terror has unfortunately become more commonplace. i tell you one thing that got to people over here, you're in b bermu bermuda, what's got them riled up, these two have lived in america for ten years and one has gone to an elite school. that's disappointing, i think that's mild, that's a

disappointing thing. how does it look from your side? >> the exact same. you had 16 bermudaens, i was there when all of this unfolding in the northeast, and the problem we have is, we look at these guys when they come in to get visas, and other than that, there's no security scrutiny. i'm not sure how to do that, you've got the racial profiling issue, but-- >> thanks, john layfield, i want to draw your attention to the other side of the screen, a house in montgomery village maryland where the uncle of the two terrorists live. and police are there in force. i don't know why they're there in force, but they are. earlier today, i believe it was that uncle who is telling us that the two brothers, the terrorist brothers, they arrived in america maybe ten years ago,

around 2002, now 2003. we are told that they arrived here as boxers, that they came to america in a sporting context, and they stayed. they are legglly residents of the united states of america, ten years later they commit the atrocity in boston at the marathon. monica crowley is still with me. you know, i interrupted you as we were going along there with a discussion of chechnya what it's about and i can stretch the name bresler, where they took over. >> in the islamic terrorists, chechen descent, took over a now people hostage and killed over 380 people, most of them little children in the name of chechen

independence and part of the islamic jihad. and moscow subway bombing, two women chechens, part of the islamic jihad stormed the subway system and killed 40 people and injured over 100. and ties to the chechen islamists to the murder of te'o van gogh in the netherlands. and he was murdered in daylight. >> you established a history of brutality and thank you very much. stay there, please, monica, we need you. i'm going to break away from terror and go back to finance. look at this, please, the big board shows a loss of dow 24 points. earlier was down much more than that because of a loss for ibm which of course is a dow stock. quickly, 7 early movers for you, big names you know them. blackstone has ended its pursuit of dell unchanged.

and google, high of 800 and higher. show me google. it was higher earlier on. i've got a rare profit disappointment for ibm. that maybe is the tech story of the day, ibm way down. $13 lower, 6%, big drop. better than expected profit at microsoft, remember, please, i own some of it and microooft has gone above $30 a share. apple reports its profits next tuesday, but it's slumping. look at that, apple is down, sharply. that's down, what is it? $3.87. way down for apple again. and then we have mcdonald's reporting a slight rise in profits and mcdonald's is down 2 bucks. below $100. and ge. a big name, profit as expected, ge is at $21 a share, and it's down 3%. and the dow is down 33. now then one suspects on the

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dow with enjoy a 60 point rally. that's finance. ibm is down, a drop for a big-named stock. i want to take you a moment to bring you up-to-date on a violent night and how the terror story in boston is working out. it started last night around 10:20 eastern time. an mit cop sitting in his car, he was shot, unprovoked attack, he was shot in the head, killed. two suspects flee, they commandeer an suv, a mercedes suv, the cops chase them. hundreds of cops, high speed chase and two terrorists are chucking stuff out of the car, explosive devices on to the street. one of the suspects is shot by the police, he's down, he goes to the hospital. he dies. it's found that he has an ied strapped to his body. the other suspect, the younger one, the 19-year-old young man

dzhokhar tsarnaev, he escaped on foot and they believe in watertown. the police impose a massive cracktown, hundreds maybe thousands of cops are surrounding the area. and they have a broad perimeter. they're searching and want it find this guy. his uncle starts to speak and they're from chechnya, formerly part of the soviet union. they came here ten years ago as boxers on a sporting event, essentially and emigrated here legally. and right now, the police surrounded and approached with guns drawn a house in watertown, greater part of boston and we saw a woman with a red jacket led out of that house, where it stands. one terrorist dead. one on the loose and he is maybe

cornered in that watertown area. monica crowley still with me. the police are worried -- first of all, do you know for a fact that these two terrorists are devout muslims, do we know that? >> well, from what we're seeing on social media at least one of the brothers claims he is a religious-- or was a religious devout muslim. >> one of the terrorists, shot and died in the hospital was found to have an ied in his body. and the other one, is there any speculation, but is there any suggestion that he, too, might be similarly equipped? >> there is some speculation and that's why the police at this hour are be being extremely careful. they're surrounded the building where they suspect the at-large bomber is. they don't know how well armed he is. last night during the police chase, these two bombers were throwing massive explosives out of the window. they don't know how

well-equipped he is, it could be that he's wearing a suicide vest. >> look on the other side of your screen, you will have seen action by it looks like s.w.a.t. teams and k-9 units running to some part of watertown and established a perimeter around it and not letting going in or out, nobody's coming out and you saw a car there being searched so it's an active perimeter that's impose heed to trap the one surviving terrorist that we know of. and that's the action that you're going to be seeing on the other side of your screen and we're concentrating on that this morning. we are a financial program, but right now, it is clearly all eyes on the terror chase, going after this 19-year-old young man,'s he a terrorist, let's be clear, he's a terrorist. his name is dzhokhar tsarnaev, from chechnya, we believe he's a devout muslim. that's what happened. and i interinterrupted you, monica, go ahead. what else do you have to say

here? >> well, it just seems that, obviously we don't know what the motivation is yet. i'm sure it will come out over time, but from what we're seeing here, it could have been a second wave that was being planned, stuart. they were obviously equipped last night and they were throwing some pressure cooker bombs out at the police out of the window of the speeding car trying to get away so it could very well be that the at-large bombers is still equipped with the weapons and-- >> look that, that's a massive police presence, thousands-- i'm exaggerated, but definitely hundreds there. one thing to add to your story, the fbi confirms it was military grade explosives that were thrown out of that car. >> and there was reporting this morning, that both of these individuals have-- may have had some military training overseas, whether it was in terrorist training camps in afghanistan, pakistan or

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stuart: all right, everybody. to reset the screen, what you're seeing on the other side of the screen is live shot from boston. there is a crackdown, perimeter established around watertown, part of boston. they're looking for the surviving terrorist. his name is dzhokhar tsarnaev. he comes originally from chechnya. they're looking for him. the other terrorists is dead. charles is with me this morning. look, there is a parallel here, the terror story on one side, and i think that is completely separate from the money side was going on. do you agree? >> yes, there is no doubt that

this casts a dark cloud over the stock market. stuart: it has? in the way. >> the somber mood. bad news gets magnified. stuart: in what way is this somber? one guy is dead. forgive me for being bought, but i call that a victory. >> have to face these kind of insecurities. one guy dead, another. we now have something that is reopened. there is no doubt, the stock market also reflects human reality in the motion. stuart: also a negative in the sense that these two have been in america for ten years. when two men in the school. >> you make the point from kaywun, this is a soft target.

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♪ stuart: it is official. no speculation. boston was an international terror attack. the authorities say two brothers did from chechnya in the russian region. live to illegally for several years, tend to be precise.

one is dead. his 19 year-old brother is on the run. much of boston is locked down as police embark on a massive manhunt. overnight we have seen a car chase complete with a fire fight and explosive devices star around. and ied straps to the body of the terrorist who was shot dead. we have also seen the killing of an mit police of the search. it was that shooting that began a violent night, and it is not over. as you can see, on the left-hand side of your screen, parameters established around water to. they believe that this terrorist, the man who fled on @%ot is there. they surrounded the area. they're looking intensely, everywhere within 1%. we will break away briefly from the territory and show you what is happening on the stock market. i am bringing new money news as well. the dow jones average is down

42. there is a huge loss in ibm and a small loss. both of them are dow stocks and that is costing the dow, what is it, 120 points? >> losses and ibm are very steep. mcdonnell's losses are causing the dow 120-points, and that is why we have the nasdaq hire in the s&p hire. the issue on mcdonald's is simply their profit makes -- missed expectations. same-store sales are down. so much competition. and ibm is very rare. profit and revenue mix to that company. stuart: the left-hand side of your screen. police activity all around the washington area of boston. i should remind you. the university closed and the schools close, many offices closed, transportation shutdown. largely boston locked down today as they hunt for the remaining terrorist. now let's bring in steve forbes,

forbes media channel and editor in chief. look into the program. now, what do you make of this? earlier saying that the whole terror incident, it introduces a dark and somber mood to america. do you agree with that? >> yes. not quite what they are if you think of a good safety. reminds me in terms of looking at history, the movement in the late 19th century. terrorists in europe and america, says that the american president. you always up to look over your shoulder. we forget in 1920, a massive bomb went off and wall street. killing scores of people. perpetrator's never found. these incidents to happen from time to time, but the thing to keep in mind, the human spirit is extraordinarily resilient. people find a way to continue to move forward. stuart: how do we account for this? these two brothers other than america for ten years. they arrived here, one was the age of nine and the other was

the age of, i guess, 16. they arrived in years ago. formative flies were spent in the united states of america. one of them into an elite school in the united states of america. they tasted our life. it tasted our freedom. yet they attack us. that is the fundamental disappointments here, is in this? is an outrage. >> it is an outrage. again, keep in perspective. we are a nation of 310 million people, all kinds of diverse backgrounds, not everyone will respond to the experience that most of us to. most people when they come to the united states, you cannot explain the united states. you have to come experience it. for most people realize that they are here for amount of time extraordinarily unique. most want to end up staying here because they feel it is much more freedom here and they have a home. you're always going to get alienated individuals. stuart: i can't can doubt where they may have been radicalized.

>> what experiences the family may have had in chechnya. remember, we forget. some of us are older. the adolescent years. you go through a very formative time not only physically, but also intellectually. he knows what happened to the older brother. stuart: you have the same cup that we do. the money side of things is completely separate from what is going on on the terror side of things. a parallel story and there's no connection between the two. >> i agree, but it is not going to affect the stock market perce, but it is a reminder that we are in an unsafe world. also a reminder that we have very bad crises in korea and the middle east that can go very bad if we don't have properly used to know how china will develop which is an overhang. all the more reason why you want to remove barriers to people

getting ahead which is to the economic side. israel has now become the silicon valley. a small nation and one of the powerhouses in terms of high-technology in the world. yet they face an existential threat each and every day. again, when you have an open environment, the human spirit finds a way of surmounting these things. and its inspiration at the end. people find a way to overcome that kind of summer environment. stuart: we have been told that the residents of cambridge massachusetts, basically another part of the greater boston area. there are now receiving robo calls from the authorities telling them to please stay inside your house. so, the area of intense crackdown has now been extended to cambridge, massachusetts. we have known for many hours at washington, massachusetts is, indeed, strongly locked down with an intense police presence and a parameter all the way around it. now the authorities are telling residents of cambridge, frankly, none of the relationship of

water to into a cambridge. i don't know, but i do know that they are receiving robo calls and the authorities. stay inside. >> you mentioned a few things historically about what is going on in the nation as a whole. seems like we're necessarily a war, but their is a lot of anger in this country over certain issues, guns and immigration. it is not like, you know, people are accepting legislative defeats. okay. we didn't win this time. we are being labeled, labeling each other. honest, good citizens. and the whole overarching aura of the country feels so negative right now. >> well, not to get too political. why not. politics does help define the character of the nation. contrast to we have today with the 1980's. early 1980's tomorrow will time. rating comes into office. very divisive figure, but also a

very positive figure. a positive vision for the future and was able to bring that into reality. to the it is of divisiveness. it is about pitting one group against another and all for political purposes. they could have had a gun bill if this white house had been willing to compromise. a contest, was something that would pass and there would have said this is a step forward. might have been a little bit of difference. cynthia and immigration and that bill is now in jeopardy. the white house subsea use it as a wedge issue in the 2014 elections. this is not an administration, unlike thatcher, in one sense, an ideologue, as you have to get things done, compromise, move the ball forward and try to bring people along the way, persuade people. this president is not willing to do that. stuart: there is a map. there is the greater boston area. as we told you moments ago the authorities are telling residents of cambridge to stay inside. that, presumably means that the area of intense search has now encompassed cambridge, massachusetts as well as

washington. by the way, that terrorists who is on the loose, dzhokhar tsarnaev, 19 years old from chechnya originally, he was a resident of cambridge, massachusetts. remember last night at 5:00 eastern time, the press conference at a boston where the two suspects were identified and you have the pictures. >> you put those pictures back up again. the guy in the white hat clearly. as a very clear photograph of this man. he is the one that is on loose. white had gone loose. dark cap guy dead. killed after a police chase late last night. that is what happened. i think the release of those pitches last night was an enormous risk on the part of the fbi. nonetheless, they took that risk and it clearly and results. there you have it. on the left, he is the gatt is on the loose. he's the guy who is a resident of cambridge, massachusetts and that is where the area of search is being extended to.

all right. we now have with us and fbi -- of former fbi profiler. i'm sorry. in a you just joined us. your name again. >> marriott tool. stuart: a former fbi profiler. >> i am. stuart: that is a very interesting word. profiler. tell me about the profiles of these two guys, the terrorists. >> well, i am going to say something that may surprise you because i think we need to consider that these individuals are not terrorists in the typical cents but that these individuals may have acted in a violent way for more personal cause reasons. stuart: define that. personal cause reasons. not part of a broader political cause, international terrorism, but more of a personal reason. why the say that? >> well, because of the way that

the crime occurred. nsa that also because of the way the crime looks like it is sending a. the end of this crime is disorganized, disjointed, very reactive. and if you have groups support for a crime from beginning to end you don't see this kind of falling apart of the game plan. stuart: a must admit to me it is a total outsider in the field and they look like amateurs. he says were walking around in full view. they must have known there were security cameras are camera fawns everywhere. walking around like this. and then they're caught last night after an unprovoked attack on an mit police officer. that strikes me as total amateur hour. >> and that goes to one thing. open to the idea that this is someone or two young men who are involved in this. in the older leer is involved

with a personal cause reasons, whether it is resentment, where they are in life, angry, personal issues and not because of some bigger political issue. stuart: you are not discounting a religious reason for carrying out this section. >> no. and all my experiences as an fbi profiler, know that there are multiple reasons that people commit violent crimes. it is never just one reason. stuart: by the way, president obama is currently being briefed by nestle security officials and by the fbi. we had a stand that the president was kept informed of what was going on throughout the night. he was briefed repeatedly, undergoing another briefing as speak. you're looking in the left-hand side of your screen, that is a small house in, i think it is montgomery village and maryland. that is a house that is occupied by the two terrorists uncle. it was the uncle who was telling the media, speaking to the media earlier that these two people

had been in america for ten years. they came here originally as boxers in some kind of sporting capacity. they have been nearly 14 years. last word to you, mr. o'toole. you think this is personal, not international politics. that is respect this in? >> is not my speculation. as simply have to consider that as a possibility because of the fact pattern of this case. stuart: all right. thank you very much for joining us. we welcome your input. two parallel stories. money and terrorism. back in a moment. everybody has different investment objectives,

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♪ stuart: it has been of violent 12 houus on the terrorist front literally began 12 hours ago just after 10:00 eastern time. an mit, sitting in his car shot at point-blank range. unprovoked. the two terror suspects fled. they commandeered a mercedes suv. a police chase ensued. shots fired all over the place. the explosive devices float flawed on to the street. the older terrorists shot dead. the anti-terrorist fled and is somewhere in the washington, maybe cambridge the greater boston area. the search is on. that is the story. it is in parallel with the stock market story. look at this.

the dow jones industrial average is down. it will be up seven era you were not for ibm and mcdonald's. gold also higher. two stories to money and tear. we are on the above. ♪

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talion this is making to the people on the ground. stuart: of sitting there saying, hey you, do this, do that. >> he is not making a mistake that jimmy carter made when they tried to rescue a the hostages back in 1980. he was micromanaging it. former englishmen. 1956. british prime minister, military operation. he tried to micromanage it. churchill, by contrast, would make the big decision and even on the ground tab. to it -- how to carry out. the president is exercising wise decision making. stuart: the top level of the executive branch of government to all others the secretary of state of the president looking at it -- the chief executive of our country. at what point did they call the shots on policy? that me just give you a total hypothetical for a second. they find the terrorists to sell up in-house. the decision has to be made, do

we going guns blazing issued and stop him what we tried to get to live? who takes the decision? >> you leave that to the ground because they know better. it varies with the moving situation that you cannot do from a distance. for example, the president would make the decision, do we go and about the place. then the people on the ground carried out instead of trying to micromanage. that is what the president should do. when to act to amend to leave it to others. stuart: on the left-hand side of your screen, a cambridge, massachusetts. the intense search has been extended. it was just washington. now cambridge involved as well. a few minutes ago we heard that there are robo calls being addressed to the residents of cambridge saying stay inside. that implies may be mr. dzhokhar tsarnaev is in that area. all right. monica crowley is with us. about 45 minutes ago you were giving us an excellent discussion on chechnya, what it means, the brutality of the

place and how that might explain the brutality of this bombing in boston. more please. >> your key word there is might. we don't know what the motivations are. anytime you have an act of war like this, an act of terror, it is always designed to make a political point. we do not know for sure yet what the political point be made by seven of these explosives work. o we do know is that -- stuart: the former fbi profilers he sat right there to mensa goes said in her opinion this could well be a personal motivation, not linked to international chair. >> it could very well be. it could very well be, and all of this needs to play out, but we have to work with the information we have. their ethnic chechen. chechnya is of brutal, brutal, vicious place. two elements. first, you have the geopolitical conflict with russia. always seeking to at least in the early 1990's, to break away. and you have an islamic insurgency that is on a -- on

going in india. the republic of chechnya. yet to different dimensions that may be related, may not be related, we still have to wait and see what the motivations of these terrorists rarely work. stuart: we need to capture the 19 year-old terrorist alive. >> and that think that is critical. obviously law-enforcement agree. when you talk about kaysix, it was a distinct national security of security defense. this will have national security consequences says it looks like an active international terror, right now what is going on, domestic law enforcement operation. but we need to see. i mean, they have been in the country ten years. your question about the new radicalized. they may have already been radicalized and they get here. maybe not in the islamic way, but perhaps that sets in way. the unanswered question. stuart: a half to take one of those commercial breaks. we thank you very much for being with us. thank you. back in a moment. this is america.

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stuart: quickly, financial news of the day. the dow jones industrial average is down 45 points because ibm is falling out of bed. a huge drop. a big stock, dow stock, dragging the overall average sharply lower. mcdonald's also down. also a dow stock. that is what the overall average

is down, but other benchmarks are higher. that is money. back to the story of the day, the hunt for the terror suspect in boston. i want to bring in bill daly, former fbi investigator and a senior vice president at control risk. they want to take this guy alive. >> and i would probably tell you, this was not the way we would have liked to have seen it go down. it would have preferred to death have people calling in and say i think i know where he is. probably get them before each restaurant. but late last night, perhaps precipitated by those photos that were out there, perhaps because a very observant policeman who is now deceased saw their activity and put them on the run and cascaded into this whole litany of very dramatic things that we're seeing. stuart: what else will they do? presumably it will try to talk to every single person ever met in the last in years and find everything that they possibly

can. a couple of things. >> i do break and down in an orderly fashion. immediate, near, long term, not days or weeks but hours. all being done at the same time. immediately preserve the safety of the public. look for this guy committed as quickly as they can't. door-to-door, a rise by garage, basement my basement and taken hopefully alive they can. the other one is, who else is connected with? other any other weapons are bonds are munitions? anyone else out there who may go off and do something precipitated by than being on the right?@ a call for others to act out. and the connection. what made these two brothers who were here and living the american dream for all we understand, maybe ten years. joy of course. when did that happen? two weeks, two months, two years. stuart: did they know somebody who is attached to a terrorist cell. >> those of the other -- that is

the spider web. they will look at all of the context. there are already speaking to relatives as far away as down in washington d.c. and other places there will try to find out what other people do. these are young men who came. stuart: but they were amateurs. debt you think? and me, the way they conducted this operation, if you can put it like that, was pure amateur hour. >> well, i don't do a lot of credence to relieve people saying they're professional criminals of professional terrorists. these people, how many times they commit these acts? may be overseas, but these people had planned, information, intelligence, knew what they were doing, created devices unable to do it in such a way that were not alerting in the security. stuart: they made a pre crude bomb enchanted industry where the people are going to be. does not sound professional to me. >> the new enough that they stay below the red-green.

these are not people that we often hear about, background chatter, people buying things. a new enough that if they bought these homemade items and put them together and did not talk of the intent and this is certain sites they would not be seen on the radar of the stories. they knew enough to run below the radar and not be detected. otherwise there would have been observed before the marathon and purses of interest. stuart: they paraded around. total amateurs. i mean to me if i were ever thinking of doing something like this, what and where it is skies to iraq would not put the hat down over my eyes. fake beard, something. >> that is you. you are a law-abiding die and you don't want to get caught. the stable, i believe, they thought there were going to eventually have the authorities have said. some other weapons. were those with turn of vehicle. these are not things it decided to prepare as they were being chased. there were already with them. stuart: the implication is that they want to die.

they're prepared to die. >> would also suggests is that it did not have an organized exit plan. it would have already been over war or there would have been some places that being in the immediate area. stuart: if they had professional help, if they were part of a cell that was directing, i mean, maybe that is where they get the military great explosives. the fbi said this morning they had military great explosives. as in the. >> guest: professional connection? >> it is chilling. let me tell you. professional great explosives, what you just described. it's a bit of an economy because this military grade, where they get? to help them get the? were restored? a lot of big questions to be asked. stuart: quickly. >> monday after his bombing, a test. in other words, they send these kids out, do this test. relatively crude devices testing out crowds move, how the police respond to how well prepared the hospitals in the area are for

mass casualty events so that if, in fact, there was a second wave bombing or some sort of terrorist incidents that they had planned they knew, they have a map of the land to many other professionals are going to react >> actually, i believe kind of a bit of the inverse. i think that when they were planning this they have already looked at other attempted events. with dwight evans failed. their work around that. talking to people over cell phones. there were on the spectrum. stuart: thank you for joining us.

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♪ stuart: following two stories. not much of the story. the dow jones industrial average

is down 46 points. it would be sharply higher. ibm and atolls. have to bring you to stocks that in the news. walt disney said a new high. $60. it increased dividend for the umpteenth time. procter and gamble is $80 a share, another high there. we are waiting for a press conference that will be delivered, we think, and about six or seven minutes from the boston police commissioner and the massachusetts state police chief. they will update the situation. we are hoping for a breaking development from them. currently the police aren't amassed aaound waterston, and the residence of cambridge, massachusetts are being told to stay indoors. so it could be that the search for the surviving terrorist, varney&co@foxbusiness.com is concentrated in those two areas. back to the other story, the

money story. charles is with us. you mentioned earlier the use of their is a dark mood in this country, that this terrorist cells has something to do with that. go. >> the market reacts to emotional things which is why it was a crazy day today and ultimately goes where it is supposed to go. we know that. having said that, sometimes it reflects the resolve of america. i like the fact that it has not crumbled, but all week long hair has been the start think. we saw a correlation earlier in the week we thought we had captured them or that there would be an imminent arrest. we saw the stock rebound. that is the day-to-day stuff. other than that, there was some okay news. google is a big winner today. and nasdaq is rebounding. s&p is rebounding. there is no doubt about it that from a second to second, minute to minute to midday today, the market can move on things that have nothing to do with fundamentals and could be part of the case today. stuart: i have dr. keith on the phone, psychiatrist and often

guest on this program. in boston as we speak. he joins us on the phone. doctor, my overwhelming response to all this has been one of anger. am i wrong? >> i think that's your right, there is no question that anger is the right response. you know, angry that we cannot control these things better, that there are always imperfections in any safety net and then, you know, frankly, for me, i have to say pulling my own psyche, i am angry that we seem to be doing things that don't matter and spending a lot of time on them, like deciding who takes their shoes off at the conveyor belts of read the reports. the elderly, not the elderly. young people, not the end people. all of this gun control legislation so completely missing the point given what we know. explosives. stuart: something wrong with me if i feel anger when america is attacked in this way? should i come down?

the more modest and mild. should i do that? should i try to call myself down? >> listen. here's the thing. this is great because part of what i do as a psychiatrist a patients who are depressed is i say, listen, you are depressed possibly because he had not been willing to be angry. who wronged you in your existence? and here anger is the proper response rather than any kind of apology toward any kind of self reflection, deep thought. have i offended someone. no. your values offend people because they are aligned with like interests. you will be attacked because of what you believe. be angry. stuart: explain to me, doctor, how is that a young man should come here, we believe that the age of nine, and he lives the great american life. -e goes to an elite school. he lives -- i think, the american dream, and he turns around and attacks america in the most brutal fashion.

and talking about this 19 year-old, 19 now, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the one still on the loose. explain to me, how could that happen? >> those who hate liberty and they're filled with self clothing, self loathing can then project it on others. you know, there was an interesting piece. they are -- they have horrible lives. they have empoverished spirits internally. the project this explosive rage on others rather than dealing with it themselves. and that is why this can happen. i listened to a commencement speech from a guy i knew at brown when i was a brown university. he was given a full boot. he was from bangladesh. his entire speech was about all the failings of america, all of the horrible things that we have done at this liberal institution, this bastion of learning. i did not speak with them after that. i was angry.

i'm still angry him. stuart: you should get on your own accounts then, doctor. you know,. hand. always a pleasure. i want to give you a time line because some of you may be just joining us. what is going on. well, it sucks last night. roughly 12 hours ago and mit police officer is attacked, shot point blank range in his car. he is attacked by he died. the police chase to terror suspects. they commandeered a mercedes suv it's a fire fight. the two suspects are driving along. they have the honor of the suv in the car.

they stop someplace. we hear that they are military raiddexplosives. the pressure cooker. one of the terrorists is shot. it is found that he has and ied, one of the explosive devices a strong stand. did not go off. he dies. this new affirmation from abc news. the father of the suspects. the father calling on his son today to give up peacefully. he warned the u.s., if his son is killed, all will break loose. all hell will break loose to be precise. he spoke to abc by home to -- by phone from his son -- he spoke

to abc by phone from his home in russia. that was from abc news. they conducted that phone interview conversation, if you like, with the father who says give up, sign, but if you don't, if you are shot, if the americans did you all hell will break loose. oh, what a situation wherein. again, we are expecting moments from now in a news conference to begin to be delivered by the boston police commissioner and the massachusetts state police chief. i hope they have more affirmation on hands. at the moment i am going to call this a stalemate. we have a perimeter around whether it's in -- waters and connecticut -- what did in massachusetts and the boston area where they believe this terrorist assault of. they have extended the search to cambridge, massachusetts where the tories have been telling people to stay indoors. meanwhile, and the rest of boston the jazz tradition system is larger shut down. many officers are closed. downtown pretty much deserted.

a lot of people being told to stay at home. you cannot get to work anyway, although the airport is functioning. what you're seeing now is police officers establishing that parameter. this is a perimeter around cambridge, massachusetts. again, telling people to stay indoors. so that ii what you have this morning. and for the last, i'd say the last four hours it has been a stalemate. we had the chase, the firefight, the explosives littered all over the place, that terrorist dying in the hospital. we have the guy running loose somewhere. he is somewhere in that area. the police have got a very tightly cordoned area. a stalemate and as we speak. they have not got it yet. more after this. ♪ the husqvarna all-wheel-drive mower is here.

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♪ stuart: this is a financial program, and we will start with finance, that is not the big story of the day. the dow jones average down 47 points, down all week. two stocks in particular are in the news this morning. begin with ibm, i dow stock which is losing big time. and that is carrying the rest of the data with it. ibm down $14. as 7%. going the other way, they had their earnings estimates. pretty good. the stock of $19. the really big story of the day, the standoff in boston. looking for a terror suspect. he is 19-year-old dzhokhar

tsarnaev. they're looking for him. they have cordoned off water jen and no licking in cambridge as well. started late last night with a car chase. one of these terrorists, the one on the ride is dead, 26 year-old. the one on the left, he is on the loose.4 cell phones they're looking for him. they cannot find in yet. but one thing you don't want to lose is any more teeth. if you wear a partial, you arelmost twice as likely to lose your supporting teeth. new poliip and polident for partials 'seal and protect' helps minimize stress, which may damage supporting teeth, by stabilizing your partial. and 'clean and protect' kills odor-causing bacteria. care for your partial. help protect your natural teeth.

♪ stuart: more activity involving police in and around washington. moments ago we saw police officers moving very swiftly. again, something of a stalemate

in that area as police search vigorously for the surviving terrorist. anytime there is more action we bring it to you. there was more action moments ago. not sure what it is all about. joining us now, fox is contributor, a criminal defense lawyer. welcome. >> our you. stuart: i put it to you. if they guess this guy alive, the first thing he says is to my what a lawyer. which point he shuts up. in my right? >> no, not necessarily. because this whole issue of an enemy combatants. american citizen, not american citizen, what type of enemy combat is the? i believe that president of the united states could label him an enemy combatants. i believe the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff for someone high up in the military can declare him an enemy combatant. if they do, he is not treated as an american citizen. all right of habeas corpus, meaning within 24 hours you're

supposed to see a judge goes out the window. the whole issue of miranda, that is out the window. so there's going to have to be -- someone will have to determine whether or not this man should be treated like a citizen, someone who kills a police officer and a pathetically, or will thing, and he is entitled to all those rights and privileges as an american. this is an act of terrorism. this is the usable weapon of mass destruction. he goes into -- he could go into a different category, but someone in the united states american government has to classify him as such. then he is treated very differently. in american citizen jars of the typical crime, if you want to call it. stuart: and sorry to do this to you. stay right there. domestic this commercial break. we will be back quickly to myve, promise to that. ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out o10 large professional investors

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♪ stuart: moments ago fox news reports gunfire heard in the washington area. that is the seal of the area where they believe this terrorist, dzhokhar tsarnaev, maybe hold up. still here, and we are continuing our discussion of whether or not this guy gets a lawyer taken live. you telling me, the president of the united states has the power to say, you are an enemy combatants. therefore you don't get miranda rights, you don't get a lawyer. >> and you don't get much more.

habeas corpus. you have any right to go before a judge to be charged with a crime within a short amount of time. stuart: could he be judged an enemy combat and did he is a legal american citizen? >> yes. my understanding is depending on his actions and the totality of the circumstances, and standing as the president of the united states does have that power. whether he would execute that power is a whole other story. stuart: an entirely political question. i mean, that is entirely political. >> and if they were to get him alive, then they would question him as to his motive. if you were acting as part of an international global war ontario would make easier for the commander in chief to come in and classify him as an enemy combatants. he said, i had a beef with some of the boston marathon and this was a personal attack against alonso oregon's the institution of the marathon, then it would not be. >> correct, or i'm a net job. ortiz says long live osama bin

laden, some will have a very difficult decision to make. he'll be charged. what's happening right now, all of our fourth amendment rights, there is one stopgap, eggs and circumstances. this is the epitome of an x is a circumstance. someone who has already maimed and killed many people. his brother went down and up ball of flames. all of those rights and warrants and knocking on doors, they got the window. they see this guy run into the party's house, they're allowed to keep down your door, bob is windows, go do whatever needs to be done to get this guy. the fourth amendment right that even a third party as those of the window if they're following him and he goes into someone else's son. stuart: very limited time behalf ask the question, if he is declared a noncombatant, and in

noncombatant, what can we do tend to make him talk? >> nothing. you can put him in solitary confinement. he has an attorney. utah's attorney committee does not the death penalty to life the proper role, let him tell us what happened. stuart: a hard break. sorry about that. thank you for coming in today. back in the second. ♪ thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the futur.. by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions.. in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it.

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